Posts Tagged ‘gun order of protection’

Suicidal and Homicidal People Have Gun Rights Too Says the NRA

Thursday, April 7th, 2016


When a gun owner becomes unstable and likely to harm himself and others, it is usually obvious to family, friends and coworkers. Remember Elliot Rodger who killed six people and injured fourteen others near the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara less than two years ago? After looking at her son’s YouTube page, Rodger’s mother called 911, alerted the boy’s father and frantically drove to Santa Barbara to stop the murders.


Others have also posted their homicidal intentions on social media only to act upon them because no one intervened. And most mass shooters like the Aurora, Navy Yard and Virginia Tech murderers were under the care of therapists who also clearly saw the imminent murders but did nothing.


After Elliot Rodger’s 2014 murders, California passed a gun order of protection law in which family members and friends could request a restraining order from a judge before gun violence. “When someone is in crisis, the people closest to them are often the first to spot the warning signs, but almost nothing can now be done to get back their guns or prevent them from buying more,” said Democratic Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner of Berkeley in supporting the legislation.


NGVAC has personal experience with the conundrum. A few years ago, we contacted two police departments about a possible imminent gun violence situation and were told by both that we had to wait until “something” happened. “There would be no legal justification for us, at the state level, to step in and take this person’s property,” said an email from Glendale Mayor Weiers responding to a girlfriend’s charge that her boyfriend was a convicted domestic abuser yet owned guns. Property?




Now legislation that would create a Lethal Violence Order of Protection is advancing in the Illinois legislature. It would permit family members concerned about loved ones hurting themselves or others to petition the courts to remove firearms for a limited amount of time.




Needless to say, the gun lobby is throwing a hissy fit. It would rather see a few homicides and suicides than someone wrongly denied his lethal weapon because of a “fight with a spouse [or] tiff with a boyfriend.” Of course the male dominated gun lobby wants to ignore the fact that it is just these angry armed husbands and boyfriends who are a leading cause of women’s deaths.


The gun lobby not only defends the “gun rights” of people under orders of protection and suspected domestic abusers, it defends the “gun rights” of convicted felons and people who have been hospitalized for mental illness.


Maybe they are protecting their own. The wife of the NRA’s New York City field representative Richard D’Alauro, Maribeth testified on Capitol Hill that she endured years of bullying and abuse from the NRA honcho. D’Alauro was charged with assault, harassment and endangering the welfare of a child. He possessed 39 guns at the time of his arrest.








Should People Who Hear Voices Have Guns? Yes Says the NRA

Monday, November 17th, 2014

After the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre in which 33 died, the National Rifle Association supported a federal law to make it harder for people with mental illness to get guns. Killer Seung-Hui Cho had been declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice but was still allowed to purchase guns because he was not institutionalized.



There was just one catch. The NRA’s support was contingent on legal provisions to restore “gun rights” to those who lost them for mental health reasons.

An early example of such restoration was Virginian Sam French who was hospitalized by court order four times in five years and told authorities he hears voices and talks to bears but got his guns back anyway according to the New York Times. Thank you, NRA

Even without the NRA’s quid pro quo, mechanisms to prohibit people with mental illness from buying guns are non-existent. A chilling map of how well states provide mental health records to the federal background check database shows that Oklahoma has provided 35 mental health records out of a likely 30,822, Montana has provided 3 out of a likely 8,125 and Louisiana has provided 4 out of a likely 37,207. No, the numbers do not come from the Onion.

And there is another problem. Without a national registry which the NRA has legally blocked out of fear of government “tyranny,” how is it ever known when someone who is a legal gun owner becomes mentally unstable? It isn’t.

In Chicago’s Cook County, more than 3,000 people failed to surrender their Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) cards last year after they were revoked, reported the Chicago Sun-Times. FOID cards allow someone to buy firearms and ammunition and are revoked for mental illness, felonies and protection orders. Yet often the firearms themselves are not confiscated. The system is “broken” says Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart–it “revokes cards, but the guns are of no consequence.”

Last year, reports the Sun-Times, Cook County law enforcement personnel recovered more than 35 firearms from one person whose card was revoked, including four AR-15 assault rifles. Hey, he had the right to defend himself.

Of course the U.S. mental health system is also broken said many speakers this week at a Chicago conference called “The Cost of Doing Nothing” sponsored by the Kennedy Forum. “If the nation wanted a good answer to Sandy Hook and Aurora” it would make a commitment to providing mental health care to any American who “suffers a psychotic break,” said former U.S. Representative Patrick Kennedy at the event. We are not doing “what we know works.”

Families are often “happy” to see the removal of firearms from people whose FOID cards have been revoked said Sheriff Dart at the conference. There is “widespread agreement” about the importance to public safety of removing guns from people who have become dangerous, he said. Recently, California passed the first “gun order of protection” law allowing imperiled families and other citizens to request guns removed from dangerous persons.

Clearly, missing state health records like Louisiana’s 37,203 are behind many mass shootings– the Virginia Tech, Northern Illinois University, Navy Yard, Aurora, Tucson, Santa Barbara, LAX and Fort Hood killers all bought their guns legally despite their mental health records.

But so are NRA sponsored laws that rearm people who hear voices and block a registry to know when gun owners have become mentally impaired! It is shocking but true–gun “rights” trump the occasional massacre to the NRA.





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