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5 Huge Gun Lobby Lies Exposed During This Summer’s Bloodshed

Monday, August 1st, 2016

 

From “bad guys don’t obey gun laws” to “it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun,” gun lobby dogma is repeated so often it appears true. But this summer’s bloodshed reveals how illogical and insulting the banal sayings are.

 

Wayne LaPierre - Google SearchHere are some of the biggest lies.

 

  1. The Only Thing That Stops a Bad Guy With A Gun Is a Good Guy With A Gun

 

Thanks to Texas carry laws, there were so many carriers at the Dallas protest that ended in 12 police officers being shot, law enforcement did not know the “good guys with guns” from the “bad guys with guns.” But none of the good guys with guns, who consider themselves citizen law enforcers, stopped the bad guy or spared law enforcement officers being shot.

 

Last year National Gun Victims Action Council (NGVAC) studied the role of training in gun self-defense, using simulators, at the Prince George’s County police department in Maryland–with shocking results. Even with their guns drawn, highly trained civilians were “killed” and failed to stop bad guys. “They didn’t attempt to issue commands to their assailants. Their trigger fingers were either too itchy — they shot innocent bystanders or unarmed people, or not itchy enough — they didn’t shoot armed assailants until they were already being shot at,” said the Washington Post.

 

In a growing number of states, gun advocates have made it illegal to require training for carriers because it is a violation of “gun rights.” Why should people carrying a lethal weapon know how to handle and use it? How many municipalities knew the thousands they could save by realizing police training and retraining is optional?

 

  1. Criminals Don’t Obey Gun Laws

 

Omar Mateen, the Orlando shooter who killed 49 people and wounded 53, was a legal gun owner. So were Micah Johnson, who shot 12 Dallas police officers, and Gavin Long who shot six Baton Rouge police officers. Singer Christina Grimmie’s murderer, an apparent deranged fan in Orlando, had no criminal record. Allen Ivanov, who allegedly killed three people in Mulilteo, Washington on Saturday, was a legal gun owner. The Austin shooter, who killed one and wounded four on Saturday, has not yet been identified.

 

Criminals do obey laws. In fact, of 81 mass shooters since 1981, all but 12 were legal gun owners says Mother Jones.

 

  1. Gun-Free Zones Cause Gun Violence

 

When mass shootings occur in gun prevalent zones like the recent Dallas and Baton Rouge police shootings, the NRA likes to change the subject. Last year, gunmen attacked the “gun-free zones” (not) of the Dallas police station, Little Rock Air Force Base and Chattanooga recruitment centers. The gun lobby tried to pretend the Chattanooga recruitment centers were gun-free, but the military press reported that servicemen had personal weapons on them and shot back—saving no one and not stopping the murderer. Again, the good guys with guns did not stop the bad guys with guns. And yes, the murderer was a legal gun owner.

 

  1. Guns Provide Self-Defense

 

President Reagan was surrounded by hyper-vigilant Secret Service and local police officers but a would-be assassin with a cheap handgun was able to shoot all six of its bullets–hitting the president, his press secretary and two officers before being subdued. (Imagine how many people would have been hit if the assailant had a semi-automatic handgun.) Clearly, the element of surprise trumps training and preparedness whether President Reagan’s shooting or the 18 police officers shot this summer. Another example, of course, is the “American Sniper,” Chris Kyle, arguably the best shot in the United States but shot and killed on a gun range.

 

  1. High Capacity Magazines Make No Difference in Numbers Killed

 

After the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School, parents testified that 11 children would be alive today if the murderer had had to reload. The NRA’s Wayne LaPierre (pictured) however, retorted that law-abiding gun owners often need high capacity magazines for “self-defense.” Right. Military style weapons and high capacity magazines are the clear choice of mass shooters including recent ones from the Dallas police murderer who used an AK-47 to the Baton Rouge police murderer who used an AK-15 style weapon to last week’s Mulilteo, Washington murderer who used an AR-15.

 

 

 

 

 

Are You Dining or Shopping Next to A Gun Carrier? Probably.

Sunday, March 13th, 2016

For over six years, NGVAC has pointed out the sheer insanity of US gun laws—that anyone on the Terror Watch List can buy a gun, that 90 percent of mental health records are missing from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and that carrying a gun, unless someone is highly trained and periodically retrained, does not even offer self-defense.

 

We have highlighted the insanity of allowing civilians to own sniper weapons as snipers have terrorized Washington DC, Pennsylvania and major highways. And in a popular series called “Beware the Law-Abiding Citizen” we have exposed how most gun perpetrators are not “bad guys” but “law-abiding citizens.”

 

Now, NGVAC is pointing out that all US corporations ban guns from their headquarters and boardrooms–yet only a handful protect their customers and employees in the same way. The new feature is called “Corporate Hypocrite of the Month” and followers are asked to notify the hypocrite that they will withdraw their business until guns are banned.

 

Companies like to say they are following “local laws” but local laws allow a business or property owner to ban guns. The truth is businesses won’t get off the sidelines and take a stand against gun violence even though they can.

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Home Depot Is The First Hypocrite

 

Home Depot welcomed Texas’ newly legal handgun carriers this year despite the fatal shooting of a Home Depot manager by a disgruntled employee at a Chelsea, NY store last year and a shopper brazenly shooting at alleged shoplifters at an Auburn Hills, MI store in October. Home Depot hosted “open carry” rallies on its property.

 

Like all customers entering businesses that allow guns, Home Depot customers are shopping next to gun carriers without their knowledge or consent. Worse, the carriers may not even know how to shoot or handle the weapon since West Virginia, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Maine, Vermont and Wyoming now all allow people to “carry” with no training required! (Untrained carriers also heighten the financial risks that businesses allowing guns already face.)

 

No Smoking But Guns Allowed?

 

In many ways, public awareness of gun dangers parallels that of secondhand smoke. There was a time that people would shop or dine next to smokers oblivious to the clear cancer dangers we now know exist and the violation of their right to a safe environment. Now, many chains like Starbucks, Panera Bread, Sonic Drive-In, Chili’s Grill & Bar, Chipotle, Jack in the Box and Target are requesting that patrons do not bring in guns. But requesting is not enough.

 

“They do not ‘request’ that people do not bring guns into boardrooms or corporate headquarters—they ban them,” says NGVAC’s founder and CEO Elliot Fineman. Tell Home Depot you are withholding your business until it bans guns.

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Corporate Headquarters Are “Gun-Free Zones–Not Too Many Shootings There

Thursday, February 18th, 2016

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It is hard to believe that every store, restaurant and public place in the US bans smoking yet people carrying lethal weapons–some not even trained or permitted–are welcomed. (more…)

Shooting at Aurora, CO Starbucks—No Gun “Requests” Not Enough

Wednesday, February 3rd, 2016

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Last weekend in Aurora, Colorado a juvenile was rushed to the hospital after a shooting at a Starbucks. (The same Aurora where 82 were shot at the movies.) Police said there were no arrests or suspects. Was it an “accident”? (more…)

The Law-Hating NRA Rolls Out More Laws

Friday, November 20th, 2015

 

While the nation watches the NRA try to explain why people on the Terrorist Watch List have “gun rights” as reported by the New York Daily News (pictured) it’s easy to forget the NRA’s other mission: hunter rights. In 2006, the NRA helped Safari Club International defeat an amendment to the Marine Mammal Protection Act in the House of Representative in 2006 that banned the import of sport-hunted polar bear trophies from Canada. Yes polar bears.

 

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Provocateur Trump Thinks “Carrying” Makes Him Safe

Tuesday, October 6th, 2015

 

Donald “the gun moron” Trump told an audience in Tennessee this week that he has a gun license and will emulate Charles Bronson in the film “Death Wish” if someone attacks him. “Somebody attacks me, they’re gonna be shocked,” he told the audience who he then led in a chant of “Death Wish; Death Wish; Death Wish.”

 

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Four years ago—after the Virginia Tech massacre when the pro-gunners asserted that if only the students and teachers had been armed they could have stopped the carnage—the TV show 20/20 tested whether gun carriers could defend themselves against an armed assailant who they were told would storm the lecture room they were in.

 

Given advance warning, none of the carriers stopped the assailant even though all were well trained in firearms. All of them were “killed” before getting their concealed guns out. A few months ago, National Gun Victims Action also tested carrier “self-defense” and the results were so shocking, they were written about in the Washington Post.

 

Unless they were highly trained—and maintained that level of proficiency by on-going training during the year—carriers like Trump performed poorly, said the Post. “They didn’t take cover. They didn’t attempt to issue commands to their assailants. Their trigger fingers were either too itchy — they shot innocent bystanders or unarmed people, or not itchy enough — they didn’t shoot armed assailants until they were already being shot at.” None survived.

 

Zealous carriers like Trump seem to expect criminals to approach them from several feet away (like in the movie “High Noon”) giving them ample time to draw their weapon. They think they will say something like “freeze or I’ll shoot” and stop the bad guy. In reality, criminals rely on the element of surprise. They have a gun to the back your head before you even know they are there. They not only take your valuables they also take your gun while you don’t dare make a move. If not for the element of surprise why else would trained law enforcement officers themselves be killed?

 

The truth is carriers have a childish false sense of security; if someone attacks Trump it is Trump that is “gonna be shocked.”

 

Watch the NGVAC carrier 5-minute self-defense videos here.

 

Please urge your contacts to sign our petition telling President Obama to halt the gun violence epidemic today by declaring a national state of emergency.

 

 

 

 

Who Needs Gun Laws? Our Top Editorial Graphics in April

Monday, May 4th, 2015

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National Gun Victims Action Council (NGVAC) is a non-profit network of 14 million gun victims, survivors, the faith community and ordinary people leveraging their buying power to change America’s gun laws. NGVAC initiated the successful action that caused Starbucks to change its gun policy. NGVAC pursues novel legal strategies to reduce gun violence and encourages corporations to be proactively involved in advocating for sane gun laws. NGVAC can be found at www.gunvictimsaction.org.
 
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Commercial and Residential Building Owners Face Massive Financial Risk Unless They Post “No Guns Allowed” Signs—Law Firm

Friday, April 24th, 2015

By Elliot Fineman

CEO

National Gun Victims Action Council

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Since “Concealed Carry” has become the law of the land, and open carry is allowed in several states, National Gun Victims Action Council (NGVAC) has speculated that property owners would be liable for gun injuries on their property if they did not ban guns. Now, Mayer Brown LLP, a top-ranked international real estate, finance and litigation law firm, has weighed in on the question at our request.
 
Mayer Brown, named “Firm of the Year” in the Appellate Law category by U.S. News & World Report for the second consecutive year, advises that “a property owner who did not put up the [no guns allowed] signs” would face the argument that it was entirely “foreseeable” that gun violence, injury or death “would occur, since he or she failed to prohibit” guns carried either concealed or openly on his property. Click Link for Illinois Property Owners Research Memorandum
 
Just as supermarkets would be responsible if someone slipped on a spilled liquid and coffee shops would be responsible if someone burned themselves with a hot liquid, property owners are governed by a “common-law standard of care,” Mayer Brown LLP told us, that requires them to provide a safe environment for employees, visitors and customers. Failure to satisfy the common-law standard of care has resulted in massive financial awards against property owners. Several years ago, airlines, theme parks and health clubs began to be sued under this precept for failing to keep external defibrillators available for customers and employees.
 
Property owners who fail to put up signs banning guns may well be found guilty of not maintaining a “common-law standard of care” and face significant financial risks, says Mayer Brown. Even defending such a suit would prove extremely costly.
 
What does this mean to you if you own property or are injured on a property by a legal gun carrier? It means that:
 
If you are shot accidentally or otherwise in a gun-related incident whether in an office, retail, mall or residential building, you can sue the property owner if “No Guns Allowed” signs were not posted.
 
Additionally, if a Building Owner does not put up a sign, you are at increased risk of being a victim of a gun incident at your place of business, where you shop or where you live.
 
The Mayer Brown memo centers on Illinois in response to the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, implemented in 2014, but the principles are the same in every state including states with laws immunizing property owners.
 
Of course, the NRA will reflexively argue that people are less safe in a building that bans guns because they cannot “defend” themselves and others. But the Mayer legal research memo makes clear there is a body of evidence demonstrating that armed citizens do not protect themselves and others the way they think and, in fact, make the environment far less safe than if no guns were present. This is why all major corporations/companies—including the NRA—ban guns from their headquarter buildings.
 
Further, the memo reports that even fully trained law enforcement officers miss about a third of their shots. “It is not foreseeable or likely that armed individuals could successfully defend themselves in a crisis situation” and they may “create more danger,” says the memo, “A court could hardly claim that a duty of care was violated because a property owner put up signs to help prevent this additional danger posed by would-be heroes.”
 
If the NRA threatens to sue a business or Building Owner for not allowing guns, the owners will be on strong legal ground defending such a suit. Nor is the Building Owner even taking a position in favor or against guns. Owners are prudently making a risk avoidance (elimination) decision.
 
The Mayer Brown memo also removes the necessity of individual businesses located on the property owners’ property from having to make individual decisions about gun signage; the Building Owner or property owner’s ban accomplishes that in one felled swoop for all the chains and businesses located in a shopping center, mall, office or residential complex.
 
What can you do? You can discuss the financial liability risk and dangers of allowing guns at the places you shop, work, visit and live. Now that this legal research memo is public information, a property owner cannot claim he did “not know” as a defense. The memo establishes that the danger of gun injuries when guns are allowed is entirely “foreseeable.” Foreseeability is the legal standard for establishing liability.
 
This legal guidance is good news for anyone who wants to shop, dine, work or be in public spaces without the heightened risk of gun violence. Concealed and open carriers can walk up and down the street with their guns—but if they enter restaurants, stores, theaters, offices and other businesses with signs up they will be in violation of trespassing laws and subject to personal liability. The memo provides many powerful reasons for Building Owners to post “No Guns Allowed” signs.

 

Being Armed and Trained Did Not Help These Gun Victims

Thursday, March 26th, 2015

Months before Illinois became the last state in the union to legalize “conceal carry,” a droll cartoon ran in the local papers. A masked man threatens another with a handgun, saying “Hand over all your valuables.”
 
“Nope, I’m armed,” says the would-be victim. “Just give me one minute to get my concealed gun out of its holster.”
 
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The armed citizen movement, driven by gun makers and whipped up fear of “bad guys,” is predicated on the self-defense that carrying provides. Yet if being armed and looking for trouble were true protection, would law enforcement officers ever be killed?
 
It has been two years since Kaufman County, Texas District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife, Cynthia were shot to death in their home.
 
Mike McLelland carried a gun even when he walked his dog and his wife Cynthia also had a license to carry a concealed handgun. “There were guns hidden all over the house,” his son, J. R. McLelland, told the New York Times. “Behind doors, everywhere. He could have been standing next to a .40-caliber Glock and you would not have known it. When they said that he got shot, it was unbelievable because he was so well-armed and so well-versed in guns.”
 
Ten days before the McLellands’ murder, Tom Clements, the executive director of the Colorado Department of Corrections, was similarly shot in cold blood at his home. And five days after the McLellands’ murders, Walter Eugene Crum, Sheriff of Mingo County, West Virginia, was shot and killed while eating lunch in his patrol car just a few blocks from the Mingo County Courthouse.
 
The spate of shocking murders of law officials left the NRA strangely silent. It temporarily stopped its catechism about good guys stopping bad guys, guns saving lives and criminals preferring “gun-free zones” for their crimes. Did the fallen officials need more guns? Should they have had their weapons drawn at all times? Even when opening the door to someone they may have known?
 
Being armed and trained was similarly no protection for American Sniper Chris Kyle or Keith Ratliff, the business manager of the popular YouTube gun show FPSRussia. Why? The element of surprise. Ratliff was found dead in Carnesville, Georgia of a single bullet wound in the head, reportedly surrounded by several guns. “For him not to pull out that gun and try to defend himself, he had to feel comfortable around somebody,” his brother told ABC News affiliate WSB-TV. “Either that or he was ambushed.”
 
When asked about the contradiction of highly armed and trained shooters not being able to defend themselves despite their arms, gun lovers offer a cascade of mewing defenses. Maybe it was a surprise attack, they say. Maybe the shooter came up behind them. Maybe they weren’t paying attention. Maybe they knew the shooter. Maybe the sun was in their eyes.
 
Gun lovers also don’t like to talk about instances when carriers are killed with their own weapons like Frank Petro, longtime owner of Frank’s Gun & Taxidermy Shop in Conemaugh, PA, who was killed at his dealership with his own gun last year.
 
And who can forget the death a few months ago of Veronica Rutledge at an Idaho Walmart, killed by her own toddler son who found her concealed gun in her purse? Clearly the bad guys she was worried about encountering at Walmart were less dangerous than her own gun.
 

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Best Argument For Gun Regulation: Death Threats From Gun Advocates

Friday, February 6th, 2015

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Last year, Kory Watkins, president of Texas’ Open Carry Tarrant County, exhorted followers to converge on Washington D.C. and “take over the city, arrest the bankers, crooked politicians and restore liberty here in our country.” Photos showed him posing with gun advocate Veronica Dunnachie charged with shooting and killing her ex-husband and stepdaughter in December. Nice. Now he has amped up his rhetoric. Politicians who block open carry of pistols without any licensing requirements in Texas commit “treason” he says on Facebook which is “punishable by death.” What??

Death Threats From Gun Advocates–it is the Best Argument For Gun Regulation:

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